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Even God does not undertake here: Welcome to "the country of officials'
It goes without saying that my father is a public employee for open competition, is a surgeon at the Hospital de la Paz in Madrid. What I mean by this is that I am not suspected of having nothing personal against the group of public officials, a civil servant is a choice as any.
There are people who take risks and become entrepreneurs and entrepreneurs. Others however prefer the security of working for the state. Everything is respectable and I want to enteinda my position, I think it's perfect who wants to be official, so I do not seem normal to have 3 million in a country with 18 million workers.
What really pisses me off and I think flipante is the number of staff we have in Spain, 3,000,000 people live counting our tax and national officials of the Autonomous Communities, with dozens of national and local duplicate posts.
In Spain there are three million. Yes, three million in a country of 44 million inhabitants. In 2008 the number of civil servants grew by 116,000. What does that mean? That in 2008, when what we saw coming over, Spain with two webs, hired 10% of the total number of staff there in Germany in a single year.
In the European train, a country with 100 million inhabitants there are 1.2 million civil servants. Yes, that leads to a scenario in Spain of one officer for every 14 people, and Germany, 83. In Spain about 20% of people with working social security contributions, are civil servants.
Where does this lead us?
In a scenario in which the state maintains tens of thousands of posts, many of them difficult to justify in unproductive days of 9-3, and guaranteed "for life", while start-ups collapses, fires its closure and drastically reduces the number of self-employed. That money is a burden Monthly huge social security costs, salaries etc that could be reinvested to support business initiatives, infrastructure etc.
How many self-employed in Spain?
Currently about 3.2 million very nearly as officers. And every day, due to the crisis of 400 half point to unemployment, ie reduce in 2008 an average of 12,000 per month self, lie increased the number of staff in some 9,600 new ones each month.
What companies?
In 2008, closed 65% more companies than last year, only in the first quarter of 2008, 8,500 companies were closed in Spain. During the same period were recruited by public funds 30,000 staff.
Is this sustainable?
In my opinion NO, says little of the industrial, business and entrepreneurial culture of a country have so many public employees as independent. A true reflection of that reality is the small number of projects and initiatives before leaving for their own.
In fact if we make a table of self vs officials see that in major industrialized countries where the ratio of self vs ... staff is larger than Spain and Italy.
Does it make sense in 2009 the culture of "a job for life" when we learned (a milk, but only what we have learned it) that not even that "brick, as an investment for life" made sense?
Why nobody talks about this? Nobody dares, and less on electoral period, to speak out and say that a developed country, one of the world's major economies can not be 18 million workers affiliated to the Social Security 3 million public employees?
3 million people in any group (the unemployed, pensioners, little gentleman .... Whatever) and leaves a powerful lobby outside the political battle of whether or not reasonable that those things are so. Nobody wants to go to an election by announcing it will cut the number of staff, because only they and their families would be an insurmountable 6-7 lobby Millions of votes for the best not to confront.
To see them come and stand for some opoción to see if it falls a carguillo for life.
PD. Yesterday I had already written this post, in a very nice lunch with Jaime Estevez (who broke the dessert in a hurry, sorry again Jaime) Jaime told me that in France are more or less like us. I was very surprised to know
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Sarkozy sought to reduce the number of staff in France:
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/Sarkozy/propone/revolucion/cultural/cambiar/Administracion/publica/elpepuint/20070920elpepiint_9/Tes
And there were many protests:
http://www.elmundo.es/elmundo/2007/11/20/internacional/1195574959.html
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/internacional/profesores/plantan/cara/Sarkozy/elpepuint/20080519elpepuint_1/Tes
While I believe that continuing with its plan to reduce the number of staff in France.
Regards
Strongly agree on everything except the duplicate posts. It is common among Spanish nationalist argument that that because of the CCAA and other staff are too doubled. And not true. Some will, no doubt, but primarily in senior positions and would not constitute a significant percentage of the total. To understand: the police in Barcelona are what they are and gives as an administration charge or another. There is no such thing as police officers in charge of Barcelona City Hall, the Barcelona police in charge of the Generalitat and the Barcelona police from the state. Ditto with the employees of any tax agency or any court. They are what they are. In charge of who charged Catalunya and Castilla León who appropriate, but are not duplicated by the fact that transferred responsibilities. In Euskadi no doctors twice because some officials Basques and other Spanish officials. The only duplication (or added charges due to decentralization) appears in more senior positions dedicated to strengthening the management.
But I insist, very much in agreement on the general discussion. They have no sense these proportions. I guess the mentality of the Spanish girl "floor itself - stroller - permanent job (great staff)" is still in our DNA and change his own cost.
Without commenting on the sectors that are maintained by subsidies and the working model of "action preayuda government" ...
By the way, I believe that God does undertake, but we did not hear
Although in principle I agree about the lack of enterprise in some areas, you can not make absolute comparisons.
It is not the same thing a country with universal social security and public education with one that does not have (doctors, teachers and officials have). "It would remove both in order to approach the level of other countries? "Subcontracted to companies instead of hiring medical doctors? "Become all schools in subsidized to stop count as civil servants?
me for this I have some ideas,
a) only for police, firefighters, military, etc. can be oppositional young (and health, but at lower salaries)
b) for other positions, which require 18 years of private practice
c) convert all been a launching pad to positions SuperPages (state lawyers, financial inspectors, inspectors of the Bank of Spain), who will not return, and who among a minimum period of permament. It can not be that the official is free to go anywhere abandoning his post ... but the state has to respect his position, no no, please, symmetry.
d) incompatibilities harder, not only with second jobs but with equity investments of companies.
e) rationalization, has anyone seen as rising administrative templates in the municipalities? Administrative "? to see if 30 years ago, with 35% fewer people were charged the same number of tax receipts are machine-made, calculated with a calculator, and were paid in cash from City Hall. If today is all automated and how is domiciled may need more?
with this would ensure that people with good curricula are interested in a period of his life to bring their expertise to the administration (and not only in political but purely technical positions).
And people fend espabiliaría by more enterprising much you motivate the public in the long term.
Very good. I think it's something we think most if not even reduce the number of staff would reduce the number of unemployed. Mediterranean countries: France, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece and Cyprus are governed by the model of "if you want to work in the public sector, run a test." That is the error. There are entrepreneurs because they have not gained experience. You need only look at the Scandinavian countries and the ubiquitous Americans. The culture of effort is always present in them, while the future of the Spanish university is to sit back into a library to study the opposition. I'm not saying I would not be official, of course you would!, But would take into account the merits acquired in place of an examination. One question, why the university (and not) choose to study the opposition? because in the private sector the worker is not valued, is valued "having a job" and thanks to this underestimation pay waaaaay less than in other countries. Until that changes, young people continue studying abroad or opposition.
Little comment other than what you've said already. It's something I had the idea of the situation, but to read the data ... is amazing. Should be compared with other countries and the final product.
As always says, and more to do with officials of every 10 workers in February and August curran look ...
Spain and the comfortable life of officials ... in short ...
Sure makes sense to everything you say is true, you have to do with people who want to be official. And you know why we want to be staff? Because "employers" crafty and bullies engage lined at the expense of exploiting their employees. When you're working in a company giving it all, with hours from 9am to 9pm, staying until 12 pm closing a magazine, writing two entire magazines about 70 pages of your own, in Spanish and English, ranging from free to conferences in order week where he works as a hostess, journalist and photographer all in one, and over what you have is a salary of 900 euros, about 300 less than the model (which incidentally is less educated and younger than you). And when you have the audacity to put the agreement in front of the head and say, hey, look what you're going through that I have no reason to come to work in the evenings and over I'm giving away one free hour a day as this. Then you take to the streets, because they see that you are no longer caught by the "exam", which can explode and you do not prefer one to catch them out just as cheap and street and down with whatever.
Alejandro Yes indeed the fault of the staff there are so many politicians and miserable that we want a decent wage and who value our work. And yes, I am angry and outraged me that people who have had the luck and above all, courage and tenacity (plated for you things as they are) to throw the vacuum in business, you may be so quick to judge and criticizing others.
So I can give you thousands of stories, a friend that after two renewals of contracts of six months the take to the street because they agreed to work in black a few months to avoid having to do it indefinitely, fellow journalists who follow the scholarship after years of work a newspaper, other times instead of 8 hours of 10 and have not seen a penny more, workers cowering in fear in private companies because they have a mortgage and can not flinching at anything for fear of staying in the street, workers overqualified for all sites but poorly paid and the contracts appear as an administrative assistant, employers who offer apprenticeships and 800 euros for people who have five years practicing programmers.
Alejandro Yes, Spain has many problems and too many officials, but perhaps the entrepreneurs and businessmen should look a little belly and start to ask you why all these people run away from private companies like the plague, preferring sometimes to charge less for that to live quiet and safe and not have to endure abuse.
Go ahead I am an entrepreneur from the age of 23 - and have already surpassed the 40 - to these lines are read with perspective and experience in the field.
Yes. We are a disaster and emprendiminto as regards the measuring rods but officials are not comparable.
In Spain we mean by police officer, firefighter, medical, military, nurse, health, civil guard, borders, etc ... and not only the lord of the window.
I just do not think the proportion of Germany that if you consider all of the above is totally impossible and must consider only the official imagine leaving all the other services out.
Now. This does not take no God but there are two major reasons for this which in turn are two big advantages of the welfare system and is difficult to balance: severance pay. and coverage of unemployment.
Let me explain. If three people in my company 5 years old have a great idea and decide to put your company in mind will start the following calculation: 45 days of compensation for five years more than two years of unemployment failed to receive. In short, about 7 months of salary and two years of unemployment to a post that the medium may be between 25,000 and 40,000 euros.
If you take into account what they have to pay to put your proyetco-up, the chances of receiving a very small or no salary the first few months and only 1 in 5 companies exceed five years.
This does not take no god reason that there is more to lose than gain and the system feeds it.
Why take both the U.S.? For a worker to leave the company has absolutely nothing to lose. Only a job but none of the coverage that you worked hard to get here and that should continue to defend, though some such as severance pay reform needed logical and obvious as a reduction of days of compensation with increasing seniority employee.
Find a balance between coverage to the worker and the entrepreneur is the political task to be achieved. Should give less fear and be able to recover part of what you lost in the adventure if something goes wrong-with a crushing occur frequently.
We have gone a tad it not demagogic Alejandro? What of "three million people live off of our taxes" sounds fatal and it is ridiculous and untrue Do not you think? Do you think anyone really benefit from anything you do those three million civil servants?
@ Josemaría. A I do not think so. In fact it is clear that those 3,000,000 people live off the taxes they pay the rest (eye, and themselves), some of them relatives of mine. That certainly is not false.
Of course, society benefits from it "? Nobody has ever said otherwise. That's just what you say. What I say is that 3 mL in a country of 44 mL or 3 mL in a country of 3.2 mL is an autonomous recklessness.
Nobody says that there are parasites or not contributing. ¿? I think that is an erroneous deduction yours.
@ Ricardo galli, I agree, why can not compare with the American model for example by not having universal health.
@ Kialaya, totally agree that there are employers who abuse ... but that does not take you to be official. In fact there are many other alternatives, one of them make autonomous, self-employed and not dependent on anyone.
Alejandro, I add to my previous post that you forget one small detail adds difficulties to the country, pseudofuncionarios, or employees of large companies, banks, savings banks, utilities ... never going to help valuing and buying what they do entrepreneurs "is not that these crackers are doing well and I end up is fool me with a face ", as their model" easy life "is to get an MBA to build an intermediate relatively well paid, and leave at any given time to adapt to changes for pre-retirement at age 52 ... TO SHOW WHAT THE WORLD AS WELL AS TO RIDE ...
In that regard, the surgeons if they have had to adapt to new forms of intervention, surgical equipment, etc ... while banks and cousin "I came here when there were no computers and now I do not complicate life", the prize that attitude is the pre-retirement years to 52-55 with nearly 100% of income (with the complicity of the state) ... instead of cleaning the glass relocate offices
Alexander
absolutely true what you say. and if governments do not promote entrepreneurship and employment in the youth will go to worse.
respect to France, I will say that in his recent study among young people, over 60% of those whose only ambition in life to be official. Looking at these data, which can be expected.
Not much sense that the number of staff is raised in each year so sensitive.
I see two adverse events that make up a flattering picture at all:
- An officer can never lose his job.
- Most college "dream" to get to be officers.
The ultimate conclusion that I reach, always in these matters is that society is not to develop any kind of effort. The accommodation has been installed in everyday life. And there are only groups (liberal vs. conservative nationalists vs vs ...). The effort, discipline and work are undervalued concepts and substituted by the ease, the absence of punishment and lack of responsibility.
We will pay. It's about time.
Good article.
I give you my data:
Acting Officer for 15 years: I mean, ai. With three past competitions but never get the required score to qualify for a place in property. After ten years without taking the place he occupied, because the unions challenged the bases because they felt that they infringed the principles of equality, merit and ability to value more the time worked on a particular job in another, ended up giving the Supreme Court why the Administration, because experience is not the same as the posts that deal, "made the call and suspend in the second test. What happened? Well, I went to the street, of course, but with one hand in front and one behind. "Dismissal? How many of you know that the official does not charge interim dismissal? In a private company compensation would have been important. In Public Administration, you'll go out with the proportional parts of the pay and holidays, if you do not stop before for not having to pay you. The three-year period began to pay in 2007, after many fights and strip and pull.
In a private company, the employee has to be fixed when hired exceeds three years. The AAPP no. At the very most there is now is the basic status EBEP-public-employee recognizes that the job offers that are adopted each year with budgets, are formalized in a maximum of three years, not on forever, and until naa.
Have you thought how many officials in those of which you speak have owned the place? Do you know the number of teachers that there are temporary? What ATS, for example? In the last call for ATS of the Department of Health of the Valencian Community, took 70 seats, 60 for duty free, and there were 9,000. In hospitals had problems that day to cover the absences of workers because most were scrambling to get one of those 70 seats.
No excess of officials, especially if we assume that we tend to achieve well-being in all areas. What we have is bad politicians, who use excessive money on infrastructure, which is sponsoring events to enrich the private sector and treating employees as an employer could never do it especially since the minimum would be seeing the face of the Judge shift of Social Courts.
What do we have worked with performing tasks beyond what we corresponded and seeing productivity supplements were the buddies in office? What do we do what we see as the headquarters of Units and Areas of privileges were granted, when it was and is legal to make a contest of merit between staff eligible for the job?
What do, for example, workers who are given the payroll throughout the year with an excess of 160 hours, which corresponds more or less, the month-long vacation? What do workers who are owed 60 days to cover shifts for other employees, when the last calendar year can not be enjoyed? What do the workers when they arrive at three in the afternoon to start his working day, tell them to come home, giving them party, because that day do not need? All these things happen, and happen much more often than you can imagine. At least in the Valencian Community.
Vale and think of the official window, and the image of "Come back tomorrow." With my taxes also pay the salaries of other public employees, it's reciprocal. But, moreover, also charged that many make improper use of public health, or the abuse-until recently-recovered in black to avoid having to declare to the tax or subsidize the purchase of a first home and then see how the person who has received the grant swings, put the rent-a cop-and how few have already paid half the house ...
This is not to mix with merino churros, really. I know one thing has nothing to do with the other, but it is already good to always stick to the most commonly seen, that in the world of private enterprise is much less used-workers are, of course - who has a thousand and a way to wriggle out of administrative control.
By the way, tower, you need staying power, large doses of discipline and patience, but much, much, much, to approve an opposition. Thinking that the official did not know what these concepts is to be clearly confused. "No liability? If it appears that what happens is just the opposite: to charge the dead below.
One last thing: Try one of you to include in your resume that you worked for 15 years in PA and distribute it in the private sector companies that you appropriate for your experience ... Let's see how many of them value it ... And I can assure positively that I have won every penny of the money I have paid ...
[...] Spain, the country of the staff (even God does not undertake here) diegoventosa www.alejandrosuarez.es/2009/05/aqui-no-eprende-ni-dios-espan ... for the last few seconds [... ]
would be interesting to an initiative of the State of California, that all public positions are searchable at the level of remuneration, names, departments, or public workplace
http://www.sacbee.com/statepay/
In the end, and will be soon as the crisis continues, more than one officer will go to the street because the State can not afford to keep so many.
It's pure logic.
Furthermore, in the city about at least 20% of staff.
And talk about employment services SERVEF, INEM, etc. How can we continue to maintain a system that is able to only work 1% of all unemployed.
Well I'm sorry but even though I re-read what you write do not share the way they express Alexander. A professor, for example, does not live on anyone's taxes. A salary for the function that performs and is paid by the state because it does its work in a public company. Have you asked your father if he ever considered living on the taxes of others? Come on, do it and tell us what you said please.
Nor do I think it wrong that the aspirations of someone being a civil servant, quite the opposite: I love to have the best students of each promotion and wanted to be and have better public services. As a rule, get this nonsense, maybe people often fall seeking the satisfaction working to make a public function that they do primarily because they want to get rich.
As for the proportion of staff on the active population does not mean anything without knowing the distribution of them. Galli you already mentioned two groups of officials too numerous and, fortunately, in our country are greater than in many countries around us Are you worried about finding out even distribution of staff by activity and propose where he cut?
You problem, the problem with this text Alejandro, and I tell you without bitterness is that, in my opinion, can not even be touched with a subject as complex and delicate as this as lightly as you did. Or, at least, it is worth to indicate that this view is too thoughtful not to create debate and so we are not fooled.
I consider it what you comment on that staff members live off the taxes paid by the population. Not so, since we perform a job and get paid for it, do not live at the expense of anyone. In addition, we also pay taxes.
Many of the officials we are not because we are not entrepreneurs, but because we have many hits on hundreds of walls and the end seemed the best option to prepare a competition and be servants to at least have job security. I for example I have a good scientific background (I do not seem appropriate to air here my CV, but I assure you it is good) and I had to leave the world of research because it is almost impossible to get ahead in this country that way if you have " Godfather. " Low wages, working endless hours (including Saturdays and Sundays), all the time going assessments, co-directing dissertations in addition to your own research, years abroad if you want to rate it, lack of security in the laboratory, total absence job security, etc, etc. Those who abandoned that path is not that we are little entrepreneurs, but we are not masochists. And this is just a personal example, but similar things happen to many other areas.
Furthermore, Spain is not the United States. When you live there for a while you realize how much they favor the initiative and entrepreneurship, here it practically not look at it.
Lucía, tu sector es que es prácticamente público, y políticos y sindicatos juegan con la precariedad ahí también…respecto a las prioridades de la Comunidad Valenciana (soy de allí) pues eso, que son los más gastones (y eso que son amigos de Aznar el austero) y todo es pompa y evento para nada, pero la gente la vota.
En todo caso piensa si tus compañeros funcionarios del ramo en una gran mayoría tienen un sentido de cumplimiento como el que necesita quedar bien para que lo sigan llamando y renovando contratos.
En todo caso yo creo en la sanidad pública no te quepa duda.
Completamente de acuerdo con el artículo y con los comentarios de @juan.
Lo primero, enhorabuena por el articulo, eres valiente (creo que ese es tema para otro gran post) en este pais en que la cobardia y el callarse como una p. estan a la orden del día.
En relación al tema del post, no solo es una verguenza, ineficiente, demagogica e insostenible para nosotros y nuestros hijos, sino lo que es mas grave es un agujero negro para todo lo malo que hay en este pais…
Mantengo una reflexión con mi mujer que es la siguiente, si eres mediocre, malo, rastrero pero listo, ¿Donde puede encontrar trabajo?, en un partido politico…que son los que deciden el número de funcionarios y demás…
Y una pregunta algo lateral, acabo de llegar de huelva via ave de sevilla (vino en la comunidad de madrid), ¿Pq alli nadie lleva casco en la moto?…lo digo pq me extraña que la comunidad con más paro y mas funcionarios sigan 25 años votando al mismo partido…¿Se respeta alli la ley?, ¿ganan los concursos publicos la mejor propuesta?, ¿Los funcionarios son contratados correctamente?
Best regards,
Jesus
Good article. Ahora pregúntate por qué tanta gente quiere ser funcionaria (y por qué se necesita) mientras hay por ahí miles de empresarios que lo único que quieren es explotar a los trabajadores a cambio de un sueldo mísero.
No tiene nada que ver que haya muchos funcionarios con que se emprenda más o menos. Nadie, o casi nadie, se plantea la disyuntiva “¿Qué hago, montar un negocio o presentarme a una oposición?”. El español es poco emprendedor, y punto.
Y los que emprenden, van en masa a sectores “cazurroides” y sobreexplotados en España como la hostelería, la importación de bienes, el turismo, y el ladrillo.
Independientemente del número de funcionarios, nos iría mucho mejor, se crearía más empleo (y de más calidad) si los que emprenden lo hicieran con más cabeza en I+D+i, en biotecnología, biomedicina, nanotecnología, tecnologías de la información, telecomunicaciones, y otros sectores con valor añadido. Lo demás es echarle la culpa al empedrado.
Como te apuntan, en Francia también hay muchísimos funcionarios, y sin embargo la clase empresarial y el sector tecnológico le dan sopas con honda a lo que tenemos aquí. Luego no será por los funcionarios (o desde luego, no sólo).
Regards
Alejandro: De lo que nadie habla es de que la 'maquinaria' del estado sigue moviéndose independientemente de si gobiernan unos u otros,..sencillamente la máquina no se para. Y eso es porque hay muuuuchos funcionarios dando pedales, tan simple como eso.
Estoy de acuerdo contigo en que el número es muy alto y que con el tema de las administraciones locales, autonómicas y central hay multitud de duplicidades, redundancias e ineficiencias. Sencillamente hay mucho espacio de mejora, no sé si de reducción de número de funcionarios, pero sí de reciclaje. Al fin al cabo el estado es una macroempresa en la que en tiempos de crisis deberían revisarse los procesos internos (procedimientos administrativos y tantos otros) para buscar la eficienci y la eficacia (sí, eso que dicta la constitución y que tan lejos parece que estamos de ello).
Y soy funcionario, y en mi especialidad faltan miles de funcionarios, porque hay muchíiisimo por hacer. Y no trabajo de 9 a 3, hago bastantes más horas y me parto el pecho por sacar el sistema hacia adelante. Soy un funcionar TIC. Quizás seamos un colectivo excepción del prototipo de funcionario de ventanilla-vuelva-vd-mañana, pero realmete te sorprenderías si vieras lo que curramos, lo que hacemos y lo que tratamos de EMPRENDER dentro de la Administración. Y Alejandro, cuando quieras te invito a que te pases por la oficina y te sorprendas con las tripas del mundo funcionarial en Tecnologías de la Información y Comunicación.
I completely agree with the disproportionate number of staff in Spain, and also to be irreversible. No rhyme or those who work in private enterprise as we are going so badly, and instead the officials have guaranteed employment for life, do or do not need.
I think the issue of Germany (6 times less fucncionarios) says it all: I have no doubt that on officials (as Alexander did not want anyone to feel personally mentioned). The problem is that no government would want to bell the cat ... because that would lose the government. Reform would only be affordable if the opposition is block commit on a compact state. And that government and other parties sacrificed their potential benefit to locate a covenant for the common good of the country is not feasible with the political class we have ...
Well, that's the trend on the left. All functionalized or subsidized. So are the havens.
By the way, Albert, saying that the "Spanish nationalists" is uns solemn stupidity. Especially if at the end you conclude that the Spanish "have" to change their mentality, and we will include them.
Let's see if we are serious, the nationalism that is not carried in today's world, except for some to have power and some believe it! Además, si unos nacionalismo son buenos, ¿por qué otros son malos?
¡Hombre…..!
¡A ver si desde la AIEI (Asociación de Inversores y Emprendedores en Internet) que arrancais ahora sois capaces de darle la vuelta a la tortilla!
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“Por cierto, Albert, decir eso de “nacionalistas españoles” es uns solemne estupidez. Sobre todo si al final concluyes que los españoles “tenemos” que cambiar de mentalidad, y te incluyes.
¡A ver si somos serios, que eso de los nacionalismo no se lleva en el mundo de hoy, salvo para que algunos tengan poder y otros se lo crean! Además, si unos nacionalismo son buenos, ¿por qué otros son malos?”
Thank you. A mí no me parece una solemne estupidez. Te guste o no en Espana hay varios nacionalismos y el español es uno más. Si no te gusta la palabra puedes llamarle “sentimiento” o “tendencia”, qué más da. A mí no me parece mal, no creo que los nacionalismos “no se lleven”, ni sean “poco serios”, ni sean malos de por sí. Tampoco he dicho en ningún momento que unos sean buenos y otros malos -no sé dónde habrás interpretado eso, la verdad-. A mí me parecen todos muy legítimos -incluído el español, sí-.
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Estoy de acuerdo en lo de la falta de emprendedores. Pero no en muchas otras cosas.
Las cifras no siempre son las reales. No todo el mundo declara. Hay mucho trabajo de tapadillo. Luego los autónomos han de ser más. El paro tampoco es del todo real. Te juro que hay gente que no quiere trabajar y está en el paro.
Funcionarios no es la palabra adecuada. Quizá empleados públicos. Yo soy enfermero del Sergas, soy personal estatutario. Tengo unas condiciones parecidas a las de un funcionario pero no así los empleados de ayuntamientos. Y todos vamos en el mismo saco.
Tenemos una cifra alta de empleados públicos pero tenemos la mejor sanidad del mundo. En calidad y en cobertura. Los europeos vienen a hacerse tratamientos en las vacaciones (luego se les cobra al país). ¿Nos pasamos al modelo USA? (¿Quieres?). Ah, pero que nos bajen los sueldos ,si.
Yo empecé trabajando en un geriátrico para una fundación catalana. Cobraba 715€ por trabajar 44h semanales siempre de noche. Turnos de 12h. 60 personas (5 plantas) a mi cargo y de una auxiliar.
Eso es ilegal e injusto.
Cobra mucho más un peón de albañil con todos mis respetos. ¿Quien me pagaba la responsabilidad de tener a mi cargo tantos pacientes?.
Como dije ahora trabajo para el sergas y cobraré unos 1500€. ¿Te parece mucho? Pues es bajo si comparo con otras comunidades u otros países.
Desde que entró el pp bajan las contrataciones de personal temporal. El hospital medio vacío y los privados de la zona frotándose las manos.
Prefiero el modelo nórdico de clase media de alto nivel y poco rico/pobre. Ahí tampoco hay muchos emprendedores. La ciencia de altísimo nivel es con fondos públicos.
Es como si yo hubiera dicho que los emprendedores a la larga se convierten en empresarios explotadores. Claro que se puede hacer más eficiente, ver que administraciones son las más arcaicas (Justicia) y actualizarlas/renovarlas.
Pero por favor, no generalicemos.
[...] de haber pasado una oposición, un concurso o, en ocasiones, ni siquiera eso. En especial me gustó el artículo de Alejandro Suárez, pese a que estoy de acuerdo sólo con algunos -la mayoría- de sus [...]
Aunque estoy de acuerdo con el punto de vista expuesto y estoy seguro de que la administración pública es el lastre laboral de España, creo que la culpa la tenemos todos, por haber creado este monstruo al que ahora vemos con recelo. Así que es entrte todos es que tendremos que combatirlo…Llegué a este post a través de twitter…
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Hombre es que en este país si te lanzas a emprender puedes acabar desahuciado ya que con las facilidades que hay y la cantidad de 'bisnes enyels' que tenemos hacerse funcionario es lo más seguro.. xD
Oye… volviendo a lo de los 3 millones de funcionarios… ¿sabéis que con una buena administración electrónica sobrarían el 95% de los funcionarios de ventanilla? Certificados digitales… firmas electrónicas… banda ancha… ¿qué contestáis? Yo propondría mandarlos a sus casas, cobrando íntegramente su sueldo, porque incluso así sería rentable. Imaginad el ahorro en miles de oficinas, miles de líneas telefónicas, millones de euros en mobiliario, recibos de agua, luz… ¿Y tú en qué trabajas? Me? De vividor :- ) Pero oiga, no me diga que a Vd. le pagan sin trabajar… pues sí. ¿Y no le da vergüenza? Mmmmm… qué mal pinta la cosa.
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ya me gustaria ver lo que paga en impuestos un funcionario en comparacion con un autonomo.
Mientras la gente quiera vivir de moca siendo funcionario seremos un pais de mierda.
No estoy de acuerdo con la frase “todo es respetable”. Hay actitudes que estan inapelablemente mal. Por ejemplo la de la gente que se mete a funcionario consciente de todo lo que explicas.
Hay pequenas alternativas politicas (al menos a nivel autonomico) a la claudicacion de los grandes partidos frente a los funcionarios. No los nombrare para no parecer que hago propaganda.
Oh, y me olvidaba: la peor clase de funcionarios, que cobra mas y trabaja menos, son los propios politicos. Y algunos de ellos conservan enormes sueldos al abandonar sus puestos.
CREO , QUE ES LA PUÑETERA VEDAD , Y TE APOYO CON UN 10 , ESPAÑA ES EL PAIS QUE VIVE DE SUBVENCIONES,CUENTOS,HE HISTORIAS , ES EL PAIS EN QUE LA MAYORIA DE PERSONAS “”"”",Y COE ELLO NO SE PUEDE GENERALIZAR Y PERDON POR LOS CURRANTES COMO YO.
EN NUESTRA FAMILIA HOGAREÑA SOMOS 4 PERSONAS ES DECIR, SOMOS DOS , GRACIAS A DIOS QUE COTIZAMOS Y PAGAMOS ,BAJO MI PUNTO DE VISTA CADA 8 COTIZANTES PAGAMOS UN FUNCIONARIO .